This woman could become Speaker of the House?

**senorina** · November 7th, 2006, 02:04 AM

I'm confused. The article said the Iraqis want the US out. Or that's what I read.

not too hard to figure out - but just in case you are serious,

saying they want us out implies that they don't want us there now. wanting us out in 6 to 12 months means they want the situation to be safe enough for us to leave by then.

[ November 06, 2006 10:06 PM: Message edited by: senorina ]

**Jeeperrr** · November 7th, 2006, 04:17 AM

I understand her point, agree with it, and think she would be a great improvement as speaker.

BTW, Hastert received an "F" grade from the Iraq-Afghanistan Veterans of America for his voting record on issues pertaining to the military.

**onelove** · November 7th, 2006, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by senorina:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Among other things he advocates school prayer. In fact he is in favor of withholding federal funding to schools that don't permit it.

One Love I am not a fan of Hastert AT ALL - but he wants to withhold funding for schools that don't allow voluntary prayer on an individual basis, and says:

"No educational agency shall require any person to participate in prayer or influence the form or content of any constitutionally protected prayer in such public schools"

I agree its kind of a bullshit idea because there is no school that forbids students from praying on their own. But just wanted to clarify.<hr /></blockquote>Thanks. That's more nuanced than what I had read. I always like to be factual.

**onelove** · November 7th, 2006, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by LoriLCF:
sorry double post. Can we delete our posts here?

[ November 06, 2006 10:44 AM: Message edited by: LoriLCF ]

I think you just use the icon with the pencil above the post.

**maddercow** · November 7th, 2006, 06:34 AM

Stormy - I strongly recommend that you see this video called Iraq for Sale. Here is the link http://iraqforsale.org/ It may help to provide an alternative perspective of what is really going on there.

**Jeeperrr** · November 7th, 2006, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by senorina:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />I'm confused. The article said the Iraqis want the US out. Or that's what I read.

not too hard to figure out - but just in case you are serious,

saying they want us out implies that they don't want us there now. wanting us out in 6 to 12 months means they want the situation to be safe enough for us to leave by then.

[ November 06, 2006 10:06 PM: Message edited by: senorina ]<hr /></blockquote>Senorina - In fact, it says the exact opposite. One of the options in the poll spoke to this question precisely. From the article:

"...just 9 percent favor 'only reduc(ing) U.S.-led forces as the security situation improves in Iraq.'"

I doubt that anybody who chose the one year or less category thinks that the situation will change significantly during that time. If they do, they are not listening to our government experts or their own. It seems to me that the 71% just want us out as quickly as is logistically possible.

As to the people who chose the option of two years, suppose you could assume that most of them think the situation might be secure by then. I guess that means it's possible that 29% of the respondents want us to stay until it is "safe."

**Maureen in Italy** · November 7th, 2006, 12:18 PM

The thing is that BushCo just wants to keep doing basically the same thing there (Wasn't that what Cheney just said on one of the Sunday morning shows?) and there are Democrat's as well as some more moderate Republicans with seemingly viable alternatives.

Alternatives like dividing the country into 3 states with a central commission that will divide the oil revenues between the 3.

There are others but that's the one that stood out for me.

The situation is getting worse according to a colonel they interviewed on the ground there this morning. Something needs to change as what's being done right now isn't working.

**Stormyskies** · November 7th, 2006, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Jeeperrr:
Stormy, you are the one who is saying that what we are doing is okay, because we are no worse than Saddam.

I never said any such thing. However, we shouldn't expect our guys to pussy foot around over there and play by the rules when the enemy doesn't play by the rules. Horrible atrocities are happening to our guys because we're trying to be "nice". Well, you don't win a war by being nice. Our guys could win this war, without a doubt, if we'd let them do it. We need to let them go in there and do what has to be done because they sure aren't crying over our dead...they are, in fact, cheering in the streets. And they'll continue to cheer in the streets over every American death they cause because regardless of how they kill us, or where they kill us, this is their ultimate goal. Not only that, they're training up their innocent kids to hate and kill us, too.

We've got a huge problem on our hands and it's not going to go away simply because our troops come home. 9/11 was just the beginning of the evil they've plotted against us and before anyone says that it wasn't Iraq that attacked us, let me say this...the middle east is thick with terrorists who hate us and I just do not believe they weren't in Iraq right from the very start. They go from one country to the next and do their dirty deeds. They blend in very well, going from one country to the next over there.

If allowing Iraq to have democracy is equal to putting them under a Saddam rule, well then, I will never understand that way of thinking. I believe anyone who has ever had a taste of freedom knows that it's worth fighting for. These people haven't had a taste of it yet because terrorist invaders are trying everything they can to stop it. And they know if they can keep killing our guys and causing Americans to separate and divide, they will have us on our back.

So you thinking waving a flag doesn't do any good? Well, it might if our media would cover the support for this war instead of all the negative stuff they report. Maybe if the media covered the crowds of people gathering to support this war, it would send a message that we are united. But every time John Kerry or Al Gore gets up there and spews their garbage about Bush, it only serves to strengthen them...not us. All the crap those two say about our President is broadcast over in Iraq and all it does is encourage them to keep killing our young men...because they know that is the one thing that will drive a wedge between us all.

**taragunner** · November 7th, 2006, 05:25 PM

So let me get this straight, Stormy.

Free speech only applies if you're waving a flag and supporting the war.

Otherwise free speech = supporting the terrorists?

You do realize that the current administration has manipulated and controlled the news media more so than any that has preceded it, right?

Oh.. and are our soldiers committing atrocities in Iraq? Yes, yes they are. And it's being condoned. Until they are discovered and court-martialed of course.

**Stormyskies** · November 7th, 2006, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by maddercow:
Stormy - I strongly recommend that you see this video called Iraq for Sale. Here is the link http://iraqforsale.org/ It may help to provide an alternative perspective of what is really going on there.

Robert Greenwald is closely aligned with MoveOn.org, so therefore he will have a very biased point of view. All this movie is is more spinning to fuel up the left wingers who buy into such conspiracy theories. Most of the quotes come from liberal blogs and from one source. This is not convincing evidence.

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